John Arthur Hall, pictured at center, coached the Carlisle
Indian Varsity in 1898, the year before Glenn Warner was to take the reins. An
excerpt from ”The Indian Helper: A
Weekly Letter from the Indian Industrial School, Carlisle, Pa.” dated Friday,
October 14, 1898, reads: “Mr. John Hall,
’98 Yale, whose home is New Haven, Conn., is here to coach the football
team. Mr. Hall has played on the Yale
team for several years, and was member of the team of ’97 which finished their
season by defeating Princeton. Our boys will have the best of fields on which
to do their practicing this year, and with the good training they are to have,
it is hoped they will make even a better record than last year, when they did
well enough to bring them into worldwide reputation as skillful and gentlemanly
players.” Hall also played for the Princeton University Hockey team in 1896 and
1897.
It is of interest to note that A.W.Ransome, formerly of Yale
and later Captain of the University of California football team followed Hall
to Carlisle as an assistant coach. The
October 7, 1898 issue of “The Indian Helper: A Weekly Letter from the Indian
Industrial School, Carlisle, Pa.” cites “Mr. A. W. Ransome, ex-Yale, is
assisting coach Hall in training the football”. Arthur Wilfred Ransome also
played for a number of Pennsylvania teams in 1898, including the Duquesne
Country and Athletic Club, as well as the Orange Athletic Club. Some referred
to Ransome as a “professional” as he received pay for playing at Orange and in
Pittsburg.
This is a great and a most unusual photo, with Hall posed with one of the Carlisle Indian
football teams. It may be a second eleven or a shop team. We also considered, as the ball is
marked “ 1898 Champions “, it may be the “juvenile “ football team, that trained
under the captain of the varsity, Frank Hudson. That team played and beat the Carlisle
High School football team, Thanksgiving of 1898, 40 to 0. The roster of that team was listed as Edwin Moore, LE, Lewis Webster, LT, James Johnson, LG, Edgar
Rickard, C, Joel Cornelius, RG, John Lemieux, RT, Edward Peters, RE, Robert
Emmett, QB, Caleb Sickles, LHB, Louis McDonald, FB, Frank Beaver, RHB, and
Frank Thomas, Richard Hendricks, Peter Alexander and Vincent Nahtailish,
substitutes. As we have identified several of the players in the photo, not listed on the team that beat CHS, such as Edward Rogers, back row, third from the right, that also played on the varsity team, we are left questioning which Carlisle team the photo represents. We would love to hear from readers of this blog with any further information.
Photo is framed/matted, sight measures 12 3/4" x 9 3/4/".
Photo is framed/matted, sight measures 12 3/4" x 9 3/4/".
You have the most interesting collection - and always informative research. Thanks
ReplyDeleteThe 1899 Spalding's Guide includes a photo of the 1898 Carlisle varsity. Your photo is probably the JV team as you have suggested. It's an interesting one I haven't seen before.
ReplyDeleteI have revised my opinion. While working on the appendices for my upcoming complete history of the Carlisle Indian School football team, I gave the November 24, 1898 game a closer look. The Philadelphia Inquirer had the Indians’ Second Team playing Carlisle High School where The Baltimore Sun had the Scrubs playing “the all-collegiate team, of this place.” Checking on the players’ ages, I found Joel Cornelius to be 20, Caleb Sickles 19, James Johnson 20, Frank Beaver 19, etc.
ReplyDeleteWe tend to think of a JV team being the Junior Varsity. At Carlisle the JV team was a team for the juveniles or boys too young for the varsity. The boys playing on this team were old enough for the varsity. Regardless of being on the Second Team, Third Team, or Scrubs, these boys were on the varsity squad. Some would become stars in a few short years.
Thank you for posting this photo and especially the roster. Identifying the individuals who played on the varsity, regardless of whether they ever got into a varsity game is difficult. I would appreciate seeing more such information
Thanks,
Tom
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